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  1. Brown’s comment, “Because as soon as you get a job, the idea of doing something at 4 a.m. instead of during work hours, well, that just disappears”, implies that we students don’t work during work hours.

    We do work during work hours, but sometimes, staying up to finish assignments or to study becomes necessary. Once we get a 9-5 job, we aren’t expected to work at 6pm either, but arguing that students shouldn’t be able to do classwork at 6pm is a stretch.

  2. We all know there are too many unused computer labs at BU, but Brown’s attitude toward printing privileges seems somewhat uninformed. Yes, a student can buy a decent printer for $50 or $100, but ink cartridges are outrageously expensive, less efficient, and more likely to end up thrown away than recycled. In addition, free and accessible printing has transformed how many classes are taught at BU, and has saved many students hundreds of dollars in textbook costs. Many professors who would normally assign multiple books instead excerpt them and post them online, knowing students have a reliable way of printing them if they choose. While this costs the university, it’s certainly preferable to allowing publishing companies to gauge students with useless books that end up being obsolete by the end of the year (wasting money and paper). I’ve always respected this sane, pro-student policy at BU.

    With that in mind, I think most students would be willing to pay a subsidized price (3 cents a page?) to continue to print through BU while allowing the University to break even. The convenience and the alternative to textbooks really matter to students.

    As for wireless access in StuVi: will we see the same in east campus as well? The growing disparity in living conditions among the more- and less-expensive dorms on campus is frightening. This is a university, not a free-market experiment. If you’re going to provide better services to a new building (with higher rents), please at least make a good-faith effort to do so in older buildings where the poor kids live.

  3. I wanna know what other universities Krugman contacted that said they don’t provide free printing. Take Harvard for example–they give their students UNLIMITED printing.

    Also, just because students have laptops, doesn’t mean that they have the most up-to-date technology. Computers in the labs are usually much faster and have more software that the average student wouldn’t be able to afford.

  4. “(Michael) Krugman adds one more argument that emerged from his research: no other university he contacted provides free printing. ” Mr. Krugman must have sporadic sampling. I suggest the “research” be made available for public review.

    ////Total per semester: 2700 pages for College of Engineering students (6000 undergrads). (http://www.engin.umich.edu/caen/printing/quotas.html)

    ////Students may print 400 pages per term as part of their Basic Computing Package (20000 undergrads). (http://www.itd.umich.edu/itcsdocs/s4260/#what)

  5. If the university is planning on getting rid of computer labs, steps must be taken to improve wireless access across campus. I frequently use the computer lab on the third floor of CAS simply because I can’t get a decent signal or speedy connection.

    At this point in time, an institution like BU really should have quality wireless access all across campus. ESPECIALLY if we’re eliminating computer labs.

  6. I am writing in response to the quote given below:
    ‘Is it our responsibility to let you set your own schedule until the day you leave us?” Brown wonders. “Because as soon as you get a job, the idea of doing something at 4 a.m. instead of during work hours, well, that just disappears.” ‘

    In Business, if Tokyo is your client (and businesses both assign and let employees pick their clients) then your hours are set by that client. In a global economy, there are no set hours; hours are dictated by the needs of the business and their clients.

    In the sciences, especially biochemical processes, the hours of an employee are determined by the experiment, and all night work is common. A seven day work week is also common.

    Technology, such as networking or programming, experts are awake and working at all hours day and night, some remotely from home, but many from work.

    In addition to the technology, sciences, financial and business industries, I know social workers, family lawyers, and forensics analysts whose schedule is off the beaten path, often working long hours into the early hours of the morning.

    Technology is often sited as being important to the future of the global economy. Employees expecting the 9-5 path will be sorely disappointed in what they find in industry.

  7. First, I’ve taken classes at three colleges and two other universities that provided free printing.

    Second, when you’re in the “real world” and you have a fixed deadline for your job, you’re going to be working during traditional working hours AND at 4 am to get it done. Employees with collaborators overseas in particular are expected to keep non traditional hours to accommodate them.

    In addition, if you use popular specialty software with limited licensing, you may only be able to get access during certain hours of the day when very few people are using that license.

  8. BU having trouble with budgets?!

    Jeez, I have an idea. Why don’t we stop WASTING money? That ever occur to anyone?

    There are a plethora of events on and off campus that BU could CUT instead of free printing…but I guess providing people with free hotdogs on the COM lawn one day out of the entire year is a pretty important venue…right…

  9. President Brown’s adroit observation on the realities of the workplaces that students will eventually enter can be extended to printing in general: cost controls and collaboration needs dictate emphasis on electronic document use, in a more paperless manner. The great irony at BU is that putting abundant courseware online has only made it easier for students to print in volume, where printing 400-page course handouts at the beginning of each semester has been common. Such costs also reflect the stress placed on our planetary resources to support the printing habit. The PDF standard for electronic document imaging has been in place since 1993, providing a nearly ideal means for electronic information publishing and review. Laptops and iPhones make information both portable and network-accessible. Information usage practices need to evolve with available technology. Ours is the business of education, and this is valued learning.

  10. If you want to count the $50 print quota that is paid for by students’ tuition as free… then I suppose so are classes, room and board. Just pay the tuition charges, and everything else is free!

    Also… the notion that all students should invest in or bring their own printers is an environmental and efficiency nightmare that would waste far more than just students’ money.

  11. Free printing? It isn’t free, we pay for it. What is our print quota that is listed in a dollar amount if it is “free”? And when you ask for more printing, you have to pay extra. I think the issue they are looking at is all wrong.

  12. The idea that the computers in the ResLabs are not used is unfounded. I use the South Campus lab almost every single day not just to print, but as a quiet study environment. But if BU professors continue to REQUIRE students to purchase overpriced textbooks, as well as print countless documents (I have used more than $100 of printing this semester alone), BU needs to provide us with a place and supplies to print them. We already spend tens of thousands of dollars to attend classes, then we spend hundreds per semester on textbooks, and are further expected to fund what seems like limitless amounts of paper and ink….where do the costs end? It seems like tuition keeps rising yet student resources continue to be cut.

  13. A couple of observations:
    –I just attended an Open House at Boston College with my high school junior niece. They provide 500 pages of free printing to the students.
    –That said, free often means “easy” and that often translates into lack of concern for resources and ballooning economic cost.
    –As a 20+yr veteran of “the workplace”, there is no such thing as a 9-5 job anymore, certainly not in professional fields. And we all know that BU graduates are and will be professionals.
    –How about charging for printing after a certain time (midnight?) to cover costs for additional escort services needed and to encourage good time-management skills?

  14. wait…
    free printing?
    i thought we paid for it as a separate charge.
    even then, it could be argued as part of the tuition.
    don’t tell me the tuition costs ONLY applies to tuition. so maybe they’ll start charging for our heater use and air conditioning use, make the library require a $100 annual fee and so on.

  15. That computer lab at 111 Cummington is a dismal place, but there are few other places on campus where I can scan a few pages when I need to e-mail someone a PDF file. Scanners are cheap — let’s not lose access to them.

    As for printing abuse, it looks as if there’s already a tracking system in place. Let’s start by figuring out why the worst offenders print so much and make adjustments that save paper (a plus for the environment and the budget) while ensuring that students who might need to print a lot (ever submit a Federal grant?) don’t get penalized.

    I have to agree with President Brown on the 4 a.m. comment, but for a very different reason. Students who demand 24-hour access to the labs are forgetting about their poor colleagues who have to staff the lab at such a miserable time of day — just so your disorganized butt can cram at the last minute. If you want a computer at 4 a.m., either buy one or pay for access at Kinko’s and you’ll find out the true cost of waiting until the last minute, rather than making everyone else foot the bill for 24 hours of staffing.

  16. when my computer crashed this semester I never would have been able to turn in my midterm papers if it weren’t for the computers in the library. a lot of people don’t want to carry around their laptops with them all day, and the library computers are therefore almost always being used. maybe we don’t need as many computer stations as we have, but there should definitely be some in main campus locations.

  17. i think Brown is right when he says that everything free is abused. so that is the issue where he and administration should focus, how to control the abuse and the waste of paper. Lab printers are more efficient because they are laser printers. I didn’t understand why he would say that a $50 printer does a better job. What they can do is to have proffesors accept papers electronicaly. BU DOES NOT have computers available everywhere, my community college had more available computers than BU.
    If they want to save trees they should talk to Barnes&Noble, there nothing noble about Barnes for ripping students off with their textbooks.

  18. Many colleges offer free printing and computer access to their students. Mr. Krugman’s research is flawed to say the least. On another note, isn’t it bizarre that due to budgeting, we have to fight to keep our computer labs (an important educational resource) open? I’m sure if the Hotel Commonwealth needed ANOTHER $1.9 million (BU funded) facade, they would be glad to give it in hopes of revitalizing the neighborhood. Why is it that when “pointless spending” is an issue, the computer labs and printing are to blame. Perhaps when Brown and Krugman are broke students, they will understand the importance of such resources.

  19. I just wanted to point out that in many disciplines taught on campus, a dedicated high-end workstation with specialized software and peripherals is absolutely necessary for the curriculum. While one might argue ResNet labs or general labs such as 111 should or shouldn’t be in place, it’s also important to note that almost every school or college on campus has at least one lab in their building, and those labs are often as not “computer classrooms”, not just open labs for any Joe or Jane Student to use – and these facilities are not easily replaced by simply requiring students to “buy a laptop”.

    It is important to keep in mind that these areas have printer resource issues that need to be addressed as well. What is magazine design without the ability to print high-quality layouts? What is mechanical or structural engineering without the ability to print and mark up schematics and blueprints? On the other hand, what is to keep students from abusing these class-focused printing privileges two minutes after class gets out, and running off a hundred fliers for their next party or student group event? Or printing out several dozen full-color Powerpoint slides for a friend?

    Printing and computer lab services is an incredibly complex issue and has to be approached from a variety of viewpoints. Just as it is the university’s responsibility to provide resources for the students, it is the student’s responsibility to not abuse those resources for non-academic purposes. Just as a professor would not appreciate a student mucking about on Facebook and wasting time at an ENG workstation, the staff who maintain these lab facilities don’t appreciate the printing resources being squandered on cranking out fliers for your girlfriend’s new band.

  20. One way the University can save ink and paper is to get rid of those darn cover sheets! There MUST be a better way than printing a cover sheet to organize the printouts.

    What if you used a computer like at SMG where the printer will only print the document after you walk up to the station and request it? That would get rid of unneeded printouts and cover sheets.

  21. The college from which I received my BA, though smaller than BU, had a 24 hour library and free unlimited printing. As a graduate student in the school of social work, the idea of comp labs closing is worrisome. I don’t have a printer because as a grad student, I can’t afford one. Even if I bought a cheap printer, I could not afford the high cost of ink that would result from printing out the assigned articles for all 4-5 of my classes each semester. The point an earlier commenter made about laptops crashing is also very valid. What is a student to do if their personal technology fails? Borrowing another busy student’s computer is not a feasible option.

    Finally, I would like to point out that the majority of the time I am in Mugar, there is a line of students waiting to get a computer. To my knowledge, 111 Cummington is also often full of students who are utilizing the facilities. I could see this discussion taking place if there were scores of unused computers on campus, but students are using them. Why would you remove something that students so obviously need?

  22. The print quota dollars are not real money. You can rationalize that this value is counted against our tuition but you’d be wrong. If we want “free” printing to be pulled from tuition, then there will be a tuition hike.

    I’ve requested numerous print quota increases over my time here and have paid zero dollars and zero cents for each and ever one of them.

    If you do a little research before commenting you’ll save everyone a lot of time:

    “Your account includes a per semester printing allotment or “quota,” artificially expressed in dollars. These printing “dollars” are utilized to print output from applications programs, copies of man pages, files, etc. Quotas are reset on or near the first day of each semester (Summer I & II count as one regular semester).”

    http://www.bu.edu/computing/facilities/printing.html

  23. Explain to the 150+ students in the 111 Cummington Street print lab at any given time this week that they are clinging to an outdated service. Calling the ResNet labs “anachronisms” implies BU students who need these services to print when their computer is busted or printer — a frontrunner for most unreliable piece of technology — is out of ink or who simply choose to save paper by taking advantage of the double-sided print feature are somehow behind the curve.

    Whether you use a five-year old Inspiron with black lines criss-crossing the screen or a brand new iMac, writing papers at your dorm or apartment desktop surrounded by your magazines, books and music, not to mention roommates, is hard. A quiet study or workspace for non-lap top users is essential. Also, believe it or not, some people don’t even own computers, let alone printers.

    I teach at a nearby high school and Brown’s assertion that “the idea of doing something at 4 a.m. instead of during work hours, well, that just disappears” is, as I experience each night, woefully off-base. The thought that work ends at the 5 p.m. whistle is more fantasy than the all-night work sessions the administration seems to condemn.

    Finally to call this service “free” is irresponsible, misleading and borders on insane. The $45,000+ tuition includes more than just classes. Our gym membership is not “free,” professor’s office hours are not “free” and neither are printing services. Print labs, like countless student activities posters read, are ultimately “funded by your undergraduate student fee.”

  24. Brown’s assertion that, upon graduating, “the idea of doing something at 4 a.m. instead of during work hours, well, that just disappears” is the real anachronism in a world constantly connected across time zones. Competition does not rest. Not even at 4 a.m.

  25. I find President Brown’s comments about doing work at 4 am and those who staff the labs to be very derogatory.

    Some students rely on working several jobs to be able to afford this school and thus balancing a full academic course load, extra curricular activities and work sometimes results in work being done at “4 am” rather than “4 pm.”

    Clearly no one wants to be a computer lab monitor for the rest of their lives, but to be quite honest the majority of the work study jobs available on campus aren’t exactly along the lines of most student’s career paths. Poking fun at a job available on campus only demonstrates that President Brown seems to be a bit out of touch with the lives of the college students over which he has so much power.

    I sincerely hope the President will be more considerate in his further comments about this issue and realize that taking it a bit more seriously wouldn’t do any harm.

  26. I wonder if president Brown, with his exorbitant salary, realizes what the cost of maintaining a printer really is, even after the ‘$50-$100’ that it costs to buy it. What it costs to fix a broken printer. What one should do when the said printer breaks the night before a paper is due. I moved to my current residence hall because it was close to the computer lab…which is nearly always full. And, given the size of the campus, I can imagine that more than just 111Cummington should be left open – for the benefit of the West Campus residents, for instance. I am so glad to be graduating soon…the tuition keeps getting higher, and the services are being cut. Do they really want to save some money? Someone has already suggested cutting unnecessary events such as the annual barbecue. I bet selling off that 14th cent. tapestry from the lobby of the SMG building can bring in some money. Concerned about the environment? Get rid of those ridiculous paper towel dispensers in residences. Bring back the recycling. Worried about all-nighter pulling students being unprepared for the challenges of the workplace? How about telling professors to collect assignments electronically, after all, this is how information is now transferred in professional settings. Which,by the way, now do often allow people to ‘set their own schedules,’ or, at least, require them to work non-traditional hours…
    What a great disappointment. If the situation is really that dire, at least compromise. Give students a low free printing quota, and require a nominal fee of a couple of cents per page afterward. Close a few underperforming computer labs, but keep a few open in various locations throughout the campus. Get rid of the cover sheets!! Have president Brown donate some of his annual earnings to the computer labs. If it’s not so burdensome for the students (some of whom really are poor) to shell out $50-$100+ on printing in addition to tuition and residence costs, surely it will be nothing for president Brown to donate a little from his 900K salary to help keep educational resources available.

  27. The computer lab escort idea can’t get blown off. Cummington Street at night feels incredibly unsafe, and saying students “shouldn’t” be writing papers late into the night isn’t realistic. Anyway, forget 4am – I feel unsafe walking there at 11pm, or any dark and deserted time.

  28. The biggest waste of paper is from the username sheets that print with each document. Even if I print 5 articles in a row, each one prints with an entire page with my name on it – hugely wasteful.

    Additionally, BU actually needs to add labs that serve specific purposes. For COM, I needed to use very specific Adobe programs in the Mac labs, of which there are only two, which are only open when COM is open and no class is scheduled in the room.

  29. Although this resolution is certainly worthy and speaks to the majority of student opinion, what about CFA/SOT students? The free printing budget does not apply to the printers across town at the BUT–which is ludicrous seeing as design and production students print out their drafting and designs on large format printers every day, costing up to $200 a semester in printing bills. Why dont those BU students get their share of free printing? Why are there no large format plotters available to them that are connected to their free print budget?

  30. I understand that BU needs to find ways to save money. The economy is bad and we have one of the smallest endowments around. That being said I agree some computer labs could be consolidated, however, exptecting students to be able to print every thing they need to from a home printer. I know that my printer does not have double side capabilities. Just this semester I used my entire print quota on just the readings I needed for one history class I was taking. I’m sorry but I can’t read 50 pages off my laptop screen…I don’t want to go blind. I honestly pay so much for books already I don’t think I should have to pay more for even more reading. Go ahead and charge students when they print out perez hilton “articles” but not when I need that 50 page document for a class.

    I’d also just like to point out that for students who live in west and even south, getting to mugar or cummington is a stretch, and I know President Brown thinks we should have all our work done and be in bed by 9, but that’s simply not realistic and it would really stink to get home from your work study job at 8 and realize that you didn’t print out the reading you have due tomorrow or that 15 page paper you need to hand in, and have to go all the way back to campus.

    I also agree with a previous comment about COM and the Mac labs…there really needs to be more of them, or at least one thats made available more often.

  31. I own a tech company in the “real world” and employ over 60 hard-working individuals. I can bet money that EVERY single one of those 60 individuals has worked at 4 a.m. at some point in this the so-called real world. We are in a global economy with clients who are demanding and expect 24/7 from us when they have deadlines. Thank God that everyone on my team is willing to give their all to make this a great place. No, college is not the end of all-nighters in today’s competitive environment. Our BU student is fortunate to have a printer and money to buy supplies but at times when her printer has broken having those labs handy has been tremendously helpful.

  32. We pay an arm and a leg to go to BU. I should expect free printing available to student. Especially if after getting labs taken away I will still have to pay an arm, a leg, and a few toes. There could stand to be a decrease in the quota with a small charge afterward. Students now usually have laptops, okay. But I have heard of 3 people in the past two weeks say talk about their computers crashing, or not turning on. There has to be something BU can do to help these students instead of referring them to sit in PCSC for 4 hours waiting for someone to fix their computer. Nevertheless most of us do have laptops, so i can see getting rid of the “rows of aging computers” in residences, but do not get rid of the printing services and do not get rid of all labs. I had a printer my first year. What a disaster. I would print an 8 page paper and by page 4 my ink was running low. I replaced my ink cartridge about 3 or 4 times my first semester! Ink cartridges are not cheap! At least 3 times during that semester I would run down to the print from the lab because my printers ink was depleted. I was in a TV writing class. Our final project was a 40 page script. I needed to print 10 copies for my class to read along. THere was no way I could do that with my own printer without going through at least 1 full cartridges. So sure I paid 50- 100 bucks for the printer but ink costs alone was enough reason for me to put that printer on a shelf and rely on the labs second semester. Maybe if paper is being wasted BU should ask professors to stop assigning ridiculous amounts of unnecessary reading. I understand this is a university reading is obviously important. But for my religion class last semester I was required to print a binder full of handouts. From a 10 page article we would sample a sentence or two. That is a waste of paper, and a waste a quota expense. Paying what we pay for BU is a struggle. And now there will be more struggle as tuition is hiked with no added benefits that I can use.

  33. BU needs to keep the computer labs is to keep students from having to buy expensive copies of software required for coursework. For example, I had to use Dreamweaver for a 100-level CS class final project. Dreamweaver’s list price on Amazon is $359. I certainly couldn’t have afforded to purchase that on my own, only to use it once. I used the CS cluster, completed my assignment, and never thought about Dreamweaver again. additionally, I had many friends in other programs who had to use expensive statistical analysis and mathematical programs, Mac programs when they owned a PC, etc. And that’s not to mention programs students who own a computer that does not meet the minimum system requirements for some of these programs, where they’d be unable to run the program without buying a new computer.

    Printing is essential. I can recall plenty of stories about people’s printers dying just as they completed their homework assignment. Guess what? Professors do not accept “My printer broke” as an excuse for late assignments- even if they’re only 15 minutes late.

    Finally, the reason the IT labs printers are so important is that they use a copy-grade ink rather than inkjet ink. As a political science major who printed out my fair share of journal articles, I can tell you that you absolutely can NOT use a highlighter on pages printed from an inkjet printer- the moisture from the highlighter makes the ink run and smear, rendering it illegible and your highlighter ruined. Copy-grade ink, however, can go for a swim without running or smearing, so it’s much better for highlighting.

  34. **QUOTING:
    [[[[[The print quota dollars are not real money. You can rationalize that this value is counted against our tuition but you’d be wrong. If we want “free” printing to be pulled from tuition, then there will be a tuition hike.

    I’ve requested numerous print quota increases over my time here and have paid zero dollars and zero cents for each and ever one of them.

    If you do a little research before commenting you’ll save everyone a lot of time.]]]]]
    **************************
    This person seems to have a very loose grasp of how school tuition works. I hope he/she can recognize the irony of their last statement.

  35. In today’s global economy, president Brown’s comment on 9-5 real world working hours is unreal. It does not exist anymore, certainly not in professional fields — and BU students will become professionals. In the real world there are no set hours (as someone stated earlier), hours are dicated by the needs of business. President Brown’s mindset seems antiquated. If not anything, BU should be adding more state of the art labs for students with more free printing quota. I’m sure you can find other ways to cut costs. Investment for students resources and safety should not be compromised.

  36. The notion that, because I own a printer, I have ready access to it when needed, is flawed. I commute from Rhode Island and do with neither my p.c. nor my printer–schlepping books and notes is quite enough to manage. While at BU, like many others, I frequently need to print.

    Anyone who has stood in line at Mugar (as is usually necessary) waiting to use a computer, aging or not, will find the assertion that there is no longer a need for central computer labs surprising at minimum.

    Yes, setting quantity limits on allowable printing is reasonable. Eliminating printing, AND the ready availability of computers in central locations, is not.

  37. —– One way to save paper is to make sure that all print stations have easy 2-sided print capability, or at least to instruct students on how to get 2-sided printing out of any printer (print odd pages only, reverse collate, then print the even pages on the backs of the odds). “Printing for Idiots”-style instructions should be easily available from every computer on campus, accessible even while setting up a print job without having to back out of the text to do so. Perhaps some clever programmer can figure out a way to make 2-sided printing the default setting for all online articles.
    —– Copiers have a similar propensity for waste. There has to be a way to set up 2-sided copying when copying articles from books, by holding the page in the copier and printing the next scanned image on its back side.
    —– Allowing students who have to print out papers to hand them in 2-sided, except for theses, would help, too.
    —– This might be a stretch, but at the busiest copiers and printers, a 2-tiered recycling bin could allow for 1-sided discards to be separated from 2-sided ones, and collected in 8-3/4″ x 11-1/4″ boxes, to help keep them flat and uncrumpled. These pages can be cut in halves or quarters and padded as scratch pads. Many organizations do this routinely. Getting students to bother with the sorting, and to place pages face down might be hit-or-miss, but the hits would likely be substantial.
    —– A toner-saving strategy is to nudge the default brightness and page-quality settings a smidgen in the direction of paler.
    —– If free-page quotas were kept in place, and students charged for overages, there would be an incentive to effectively double one’s quota with 2-sided printing. The charges shouldn’t be exorbitant, though.

  38. President Brown is completely out of touch with his student body if he’s targeting the one thing that almost every student at BU utilizes: the free ResNet labs.

    Who’s running his PR? Doesn’t he realize that by targeting ResNet and free printing he not only angers the entire student body, but makes Boston University look like either a school desperately in financial trouble forced to make cuts on essential student services or, even worse, pithy and cheap.

    On top of all this, Brown then adds careless comments blaming ResNet’s problems on his own students by saying “Any free good is overused” and “4 am doesn’t work in the real world.”

    An innovative president who wanted to cut down on paper costs might have begun requiring professors to use turnitin.com for all papers (an online tool that allows students to submit their papers online and which automatically checks for plagiarism) and encouraging the use of online resources like Moodle that allow students to submit their assignments online.

    President Silber might have been the target of much criticism by the student body, but deep down, everyone knew he was doing everything in his power to make the school a world-class organization.

    President Brown? We’re not so sure.

    If anything, Brown has been successful in making “One BU” united against him.

  39. Clemson University has free unlimited printing, and labs in most classroom building (I don’t know about residence halls, since I’m a grad student here and have apt off campus)

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