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There are 6 comments on POV: Who Is Forgotten in Our Discussion of Abortion?

  1. I think you’ve completely missed the point of the new TX law …

    Yes, they should perhaps have used more ‘gender’ appropriate language, but the reality point of that law was to set a marker for ‘when life begins’ vs the whole social discussion of who might be pregnant, etc

    When NY legislators stood and clapped to celebrate abortion anytime, anywhere, on-demand – and even post birth (several other states went this barbaric way too), the sea completely changed … it was no longer a discussion of ‘safe, legal, and rare’ and/or ‘a woman’s right to choose’ but rather it became a discussion on infanticide and everything turned upside down .. the more casual supporter of ‘choice’ has been pushed to much more deeply evaluate their individual position – and MANY have gone hard towards Pro-Life (from Pro-Choice) …

    But the real debate will center on how the courts FINALLY decide ‘when does life begin’ .. and if you’re being honest and impartial, you have to give TX legislators much credit for picking a point like a ‘noticeable heartbeat’ vs something more nebulous like ‘at conception’ .. but in EITHER instance, FAR MORE DEFENSIBLE than ‘post birth’ ..

    Roe v Wade IS a landmark case on abortion rights .. but MUCH less so on the baseline question of ‘life’ and when it begins, as much as it is on ‘states rights’ to control access

    This is going to be a fascinating matter to follow through the courts .. and have no fear, I’m sure that ‘gender’ will also be addressed.

    1. Hi there! Co author here. We have not missed the point of the implications of the TX law. I’m willing to assume you’ve read this in good faith. This particular article is in direct response to the original BU today article, and in general discusses the fact that abortion restrictions are an intersectional feminist issue that impact trans men and nonbinary people, not only women.

  2. Hi, Betil here! I’m not from the US but I’ve been watching this story very closely because it feels very personal regardless of the nation. When I first read the law, it reminded me a lot of JK Rowling’s “why not call ‘people who menstruate’ just ‘women’?” statement…

    So many people tell me to be more understanding and consider their age or the environment they grew up in whenever I say that I don’t like people like JK. I kind of get my friends’ points but that is never an excuse for not learning.

    It is absolutely horrible that the people who are in charge are so uneducated about so many important topics like gender, sexuality, race, etc. and the fact that we have to live by their decisions is extremely disheartening.

    As a gender-queer person from Turkey, I feel thankful that you talked about this so earnestly and completely. It is so refreshing to see other members of the LGBTQIA+ community and allies speaking up about injustices geared towards us. Like you all said, we can take a tangible step towards the solution by being more open these issues and being considerate of others’ identities.

    Just a “thank you” comment :)

  3. Access to abortion is not just an issue that affects “people capable of becoming pregnant”, it affects women because denying access to abortion to the subset of people who can become pregnant is also a form of discrimination against women. I’m past menopause and am physically able to get pregnant, but I still care about abortion access, not just because of some kind of detached empathy about something I don’t personally experience, but because restricting the rights of women affect me directly as a woman.

    Although I completely agree with making language more inclusive, I fear that in that effort we come up with language that is off-putting and dehumanizing (I’m a woman, not just a “person with a vagina”) and ignores the very real discrimination that people who society defines as women experience on this planet solely because of their status as women.

    Why can’t we use phrases like “pregnant women and pregnant people” or “women and people who are capable of pregnancy” or “abortion rights for women and people who need abortion services”. Yes, the wording is more awkward but isn’t it MORE inclusive?

  4. If we don’t use the phrase ‘women and AFAB’ but instead use ‘pregnant people’, how are we supposed to link the effects not having access to an abortion and reproductive healthcare has on women, girls and AFAB people across their whole lives… not just if and when they get pregnant?

    There’s a whole range of women’s rights issues: gender pay gap, domestic violence, financial dependency on partner/father and ability to leave toxic situations, lack of career progress, lack of access to education, femicide, unpaid care work, child-care leave, lack of women and AFAB policy representatives… all of which are connected to the choice *not* to get pregnant when you don’t want to be… .. all those things will get worse if abortion is restricted.

    An individual woman or AFAB person will continue to disproportinatly feel the effects of being denied an abortion long after they’re a ‘pregnant person’.

    Similarly, women and AFAB who *never* get pregnant are going to be affected. In a world without abortion or contracepties – you go for a job interview as a woman in your 30’s and the interviewer assumes there’s a chance your going to get pregnant so doesn’t give you the job. In a world without abortion, even if you as a individual woman choose not to get pregnant, there’s less women and AFAB people around in workplace, less in Government because they’re all tied up in pregnancy and childcare… that’s going to have a knock on effect in representation and policy.

    Doesn’t ‘pregnant people’ risk decoupling abortion from the wider context of how it affects women’s and AFAB lives, and also how it impacts the status and partcipation of women in society?

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