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There are 9 comments on Is Voting for a Third-Party Candidate Effective or Is It a Wasted Vote? (And Other Third-Party Questions)

  1. For third parties to have a significant impact will take a change from our first-past-the-post, winner-takes-all electoral system to one that uses Ranked Choice Voting. There are no wasted votes or spoilers with RCV because voters can back up their first choice for a third party candidate with 2nd or lower ranking for a major party candidate. A third party candidate is unlikely to win a majority in the first round and if neither major party candidate does either the voter’s 2nd choice will become active when their first choice is eliminated by having the lowest total.

    1. Some kind of preference/ranked voting will encourage new voices to participate, enabling people to vote their passion, yet backing up that vote with realistic alternatives. Unfortunately RCV is known to be highly flawed, often prematurely squeezing out the consensus candidate. And RCV is subject to exhausted ballots and election trickery. STAR Voting, a “preference” (rather than “ranked”) approach has fewer flaws, but can still backfire. Which is why I prefer Negotiated Consensus.

      We may not get too many bites at the election apple- prematurely selecting a flawed methodology could set back the effort by decades. State-wide RCV was rejected in Massachusetts in 2020. Currently there is a home-rule proposal promoting RCV for Boston’s mayoral and district councilor races https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/06/13/ranked-choice-voting-boston-mayor-city-council-election-newsletter

  2. Third-party spoilers have tipped five presidential elections, and tens of thousands of local races. Plurality winners, instead of majorities, are the issue, undermining the “representative” nature of our representative democracy. There are ways to mitigate this distortion- perhaps though a “Negotiated Consensus” election among the candidates https://gregblonder.medium.com/represent-379c1273f5f4

    Interestingly, Charles Dodgson (Lewis Carroll) made a similar suggestion in 1885.

  3. One thing that wasn’t discussed is the campaign finance rule that allow third party candidates to receive matching funds if they receive 5-25% of the popular vole (to be applied the next Presidential election). I think folks are going to surprised, for one of the independent candidates may get close to 3-4% of the popular vote. The rest will barely get .5% of the popular vote. It is possible that one of the main Independent candidates may get that 5% (barely).

  4. Your lack of detail about Perot’s candidacy, is clearly lackinig what really happened. When he dropped out of the race, he was winning every major poll. He had ~35 to 40% of the vote, with Bush second and Clinton third. So, he lost basically half his voters when he dropped out, and came back in. What is interesting is he drew from a diverse crowd of supporters. Something like 25% were liberal, 35% conservative and the rest considered themselves independent. The % on races/sex/US region were remarkably close too. Unlike the vote of today. This was before he dropped out. The final numbers are here…which is rougly half of what was there before he dropped out.

    A good third party candidate, has a very good chance when certain things are met. Perot was rich, he cared, was kind and smart. He basically funded himself. Which indicated to everyone, he was in it for the right reasons.

    Don’t be fooled by the 2 party system. Vote Libertarian or Green party, or some other obscure party…its a vote of dissension, showing people that we are better off having a few other viable parties. This would only make our country stronger in the long run.

    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-1992

  5. I would have liked to hear a discussion on the possibility of electoral reform in this country, particularly on the movement to adopted ranked-choice (instant-runoff) voting across the country, or the potential of adopting more proportional representational systems.

  6. My personal recommendation for any third party candidate is not to try to win 270 but instead try to win the 1 electoral from Nebraska’s Second District and/or Maine’s second district and then work to make sure neither the Republican nor the Democrat get 270. Then it goes to Congress. Which is why the Free State Project is more important than running a presidential candidate at the moment. So, if you are Libertarian move to New Hampshire.

  7. As a registered Green-Rainbow party voter, I feel there is a real misunderstanding of third party and independent voters, why we vote the way that we do, and what we’re looking to change.

    Ultimately, my goal and my value system look beyond the presidential nominee, and toward a congress that represents myriad parties. The present political system has created a false dichotomy of choices, in which citizens are conditioned to believe there are only two choices because it is intentionally set up that way, with funding, media coverage, primaries and electoral colleges promoting a two-party system. However, I don’t believe any truly democratic society exists in a binary.

    The goal of both major parties is to remain in power. Preventing the ‘other’ side from taking power ensures a see-saw power struggle between two enemies. But they both ignore any third parties intentionally, because a see-saw ensures they always have a chance to get back into power quickly; a merry-go-round would mean they’d have to take turns more often and build wider coalitions around topics.

    Both major parties are highly invested in the same thing: capitalism and the America-first/empire euphemism of “security,” at the expense of people all over the world who live with the wars and predatory natural resource grabs by American companies like Apple and Tesla.

    They both celebrate and laud record profits, a record stock market, record housing prices, record spending, linear growth, and high interest short-term loans to stimulate the economy while wages remain stagnant and purchasing power declines.

    They both invest billions of dollars in policing, surveillance and warfare, which directly leads to climate change, inequities, racial discrimination, and global unrest. They both spend more money on the armed forces and tanks and bombs and military-grade training than they do on arts and education.

    They just do it with a different tone, while squabbling out loud about identity politics like abortion and guns and healthcare… one side raising money while rarely passing legislation that would protect people, the other side pointing fingers and reworking the court system.

    This year, neither candidate even went through a true democratic primary process. One bullied potential opponents into not running against him in a primary—even while on trial for several criminal and civil charges, and the other was hand-selected by a candidate who hadn’t even run a primary campaign or debated fellow party members before he (reluctantly) stepped down.

    I am registered third-party because I believe third-parties are essential to democracy, and I believe democracy will fail… and soon… unless we embrace the idea of plurality and coalition governments. (One ranking by Julius-Maximilians-Universität Würzburg prior to the 2020 election already placed the United States as a “deficient democracy”: https://www.democracymatrix.com/ranking and several recent rankings show the U.S. state of democracy as declining.)

    I vote not as a statement or a rebuke, but as a dream of what democracy could and should look like, and as a commitment to a more diverse representative government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

    I am also registered third-party because I believe that climate, soil, forests, waters, education, arts, universal healthcare, food, shelter and diplomacy should be at the heart of our government values and spending. Not banking, profit, and militarization.

    Furthermore, from a racial and social justice perspective, with an eye on healing colonizer-induced trauma, I believe we owe it to the descendants of all those indigenous tribes who were here long before settlers to center and follow their relationship to the land and commitment to one another (through reparations and through representation and leadership in Congress), and I believe we owe financial reparations to the descendants of enslaved people. Neither major party considers these priority.

    The idea that “for now, it would seem that votes for the Green Party are going to be votes taken away from Harris and the Democrats, and votes for the Libertarian Party are going to be votes taken away from Trump and the Republicans,” rings false to me.

    More true, I believe is that votes for the Democrats are taken away from the Green Party and Socialist Party and other progressive parties, and votes for the Republicans may be taken away from the Libertarian Party and other conservative parties.

    There are so many people who are persuaded to vote mainstream party because of the massive messaging from both parties of “not this election; vote your conscience next time, but this time vote to prevent the opposition.”

    It’s very effective messaging. And when I lived in a swing state during one election many years ago, I did give my third party vote to a Democrat. But it was truly given away. Never when I have ever voted third party has my vote been “taken away” from a Democrat or a Republican. Not one of them has ever earned my vote.

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